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And here I thought we were being sarcastic after the smoking ban passed... 
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5th-Dec-2006 11:32 pm (UTC) - Have your cake, but fund your own angioplasty
Would you be okay with it if every diner were offered the following waiver?

"In exchange for the privilege of being served whatever food I want, however unhealthy, I hereby agree to never burden the health care system with any condition related to an unhealthy diet."

We can't have it both ways, saying, "I have the right to eat whatever I want, but the government should force my insurance company to cover me no matter how fat and unhealthy I get! And if I'm uninsured, the county hospital has to absorb my $100K post heart attack care bill!"

This conflict will always exist as long as we make these idiotic socialistic attempts to decouple freedom and responsibility. If people want real freedom, they can't go crying to the government to fix everything when they fuck up.
5th-Dec-2006 11:48 pm (UTC) - Re: Have your cake, but fund your own angioplasty
Well, ordinarilly I'd agree with you more here, if it weren't for the fact I still get hospital bills for even routine stuff. I end up paying about $10-50 a month trying to clean up my credit rating.

I would say that we taxpayers do end up paying a hell of a lot more than we bargain for with such fun things as food stamps (that's an old rant; I'd have less of an issue if it was run like WIC) and paying people to have more children.

But where I do agree is that people should take personal responsibility for their health. I'm faily lucky, with the occasional slip, I've managed to get my diet under control, even if it did take a diabetes diagnosis to do so. Yes, it would be nice if the meds and testing supplies cost less, but that's happenening anyway. (Generic Glucophage has gone down a hell of a lot.)
6th-Dec-2006 12:33 am (UTC) - Re: Have your cake, but fund your own angioplasty
Well, ordinarilly I'd agree with you more here, if it weren't for the fact I still get hospital bills for even routine stuff.

Are you saying the fact that care isn't free or fantastically cheap precludes us from having to take responsibility for our own health?

If so, I can't agree with that. Frankly, health care can't be free or super cheap. It's something everyone uses, more so and more expensively these days due to our poor habits, so we have to pay for it somehow, whether it's through high copays or high taxes.

Until people take more responsibility for their health, we'll have to continue to either trade some freedom in food choice or pay mega $$$ for health care.
6th-Dec-2006 12:41 am (UTC) - Re: Have your cake, but fund your own angioplasty
Not what I intended to say at all. Thus the fun of responding after waking up.

I think what I was trying to express is that hospitals can and do go after people for treatment. Through collections, paycheck deductions, etc. On one hand, this process takes forever, but on the other hand, they do eventually get paid off one way or another.

However, I would argue that I can't help but wonder if the next step would be to start banning people who might pass on a genetic predisposition for certain diseases from having kids.
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